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gw
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4782 Posts

Posted - September 03 2019 :  7:40:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Past time to start stock piling rimfire ammo.

The political climate is for some new and increasingly stupid " gun control laws"

We saw the last ammo shortage, it will come again

Regardless of who gets into office, ammo will be short

A couple good .22 rifles and a handgun can get you by.

.22 ammo is cheap to buy in bulk when it's available

Get it while you can.....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."

840
Junior Member

USA
194 Posts

Posted - September 03 2019 :  8:52:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good reminder, gw. I was busy with medical stuff a few months back and missed some great deals at some local stores. Have a really good S&W SW22, but need to find a .22 LR Revolver. Did an inventory this spring/summer. With 150 Stingers, 7700 CCI MMHP's and a little over 12,575 Rem. GBHP's do you think I'm OK for a while or should I do some more shopping?

840

Revolver also for Bird/Snake shot I'm low on, and .22 Shots I am out of. I have a 10/22 but am shopping for a good carbine-length pump. I never should have let any of my Rossi Mod. 62's go.

Yes, I too have my semi-autos, but folks need to credit the serious versatility of a good revolver with a serviceable load.
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Ace
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USA
5663 Posts

Posted - September 03 2019 :  9:02:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That should handle a weekend at the range with the grandkids, right? Ace


Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
If pro-gunners are as murderous as anti-gunners claim, why are there so many anti-gunners still running their mouths?
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Arvinator
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USA
5455 Posts

Posted - September 03 2019 :  9:14:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've said for several years that the gun grabbers will starve the gun owners by cutting supply of the ammo. Dick's Sporting Goods, now Wally world. Once a liberal takes the oval office you can expect mail order ammo be eventually shut down.
Each adult in my family has a .22 rifle and we have a few boxes of .22 ammo. Great for hunting small game.

Be honest, fair, and always prepared...
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840
Junior Member

USA
194 Posts

Posted - September 03 2019 :  11:44:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arvinator
Each adult in my family has a .22 rifle and we have a few boxes of .22 ammo. Great for hunting small game.
I believe all responsible people ought to have at least one .22 LR firearm. Great caliber for a lot of uses, and can provide ample meat for an individual or family when wanted or needed.

Matter of fact, a good fall weather change is coming soon and I've located about five new places to hunt that have a healthy supply of cottontails.

'840'

Yes, I too have my semi-autos, but folks need to credit the serious versatility of a good revolver with a serviceable load.
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Ace
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USA
5663 Posts

Posted - September 04 2019 :  07:26:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now you're just hurting my feelings, 840. Bunnies are in short supply around here, too many hawks and nobody seriously hunts or traps coyotes and other predators. About the only thing better than a plate of fried rabbit and mashed taters is a second helping--and a big slab of apple pie afterwards. Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
If pro-gunners are as murderous as anti-gunners claim, why are there so many anti-gunners still running their mouths?
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Evan
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Posted - September 04 2019 :  4:23:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tell folks if they can only afford one rifle get A Ruger 10/22 and several 25 round mags and a mountain of .22 hp.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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840
Junior Member

USA
194 Posts

Posted - September 04 2019 :  5:42:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ace
About the only thing better than a plate of fried rabbit and mashed taters is a second helping--and a big slab of apple pie afterwards.
Here it is, way past lunch, dinner's getting close, I haven't eaten yet today .... and now you've triggered a serious appetite!

Rabbits often occupied my time, but remembering back to my youth, cottontails were very abundant and tracking them down with the old single-shot Winchester or tube-fed Remington bolt was a great pastime. We lived "in the country" so I have more opportunities to head to the fields or wooded areas and enjoy life, and 'share' some of my .22 ammo with squirrels and cottontails. It cost me 45 to 55 a box back then and I didn't mind 'sharing.' Those habits of having fun have continued through the years.

Farming practices of tearing out fences and eliminating ditches so they could farm from roadside-to-roadside sure ruined cover necessary for a good habitat for rabbits as well as game birds. That's made things tougher for hunting opportunities, or good numbers of critters, for over forty years now.

Fortunately for me, I've decent habitat areas on public land that has a healthy supply of cottontails. I also do my best to thin out the coyotes when I'm travelling through there, too.

That's why I'm excited fall weather is close because fall, winter and spring is when I change my meal planning to include more tasty rabbit. Personally I prefer fried potatoes, but apple pie or peach pie does make a satisfying desert.

Fresh air, fun, enjoyable hunting experience, and top it off with a tasty dinner .... all thanks to the wonderful .22 LR cartridge. Hummm... maybe I'll make a range trip tomorrow morning. I have enough plinking ammo.

'840'

Yes, I too have my semi-autos, but folks need to credit the serious versatility of a good revolver with a serviceable load.
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840
Junior Member

USA
194 Posts

Posted - September 04 2019 :  5:58:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Evan
I tell folks if they can only afford one rifle get A Ruger 10/22 and several 25 round mags and a mountain of .22 hp.
Ruger 10/22? ... One stainless. Check!
25 Round Mags.? ... At least 5 or 6 okay? Check!
A mountain of .22 HP? ... Over 20K of HP's okay? Check!

Age and impairments have me where I can only work the slide on three of my shell-chucker handguns. Parting with the others, and adjusting my revolver outfit as well. Keeps me enjoying the merits of the .22 LR Rimfires even more.

'840'

PS Evan: My .45 Shield is one of the remaining 3 pistols.

Yes, I too have my semi-autos, but folks need to credit the serious versatility of a good revolver with a serviceable load.
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gw
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4782 Posts

Posted - September 04 2019 :  7:54:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sometimes it's how you use it, not what you use.

Israeli Sky Marshal Mordechai Rachamim's exploits for example....

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..."
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Chris Christian
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USA
3641 Posts

Posted - September 21 2019 :  3:34:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 840

quote:
Originally posted by Evan
I tell folks if they can only afford one rifle get A Ruger 10/22 and several 25 round mags and a mountain of .22 hp.
Ruger 10/22? ... One stainless. Check!
25 Round Mags.? ... At least 5 or 6 okay? Check!
A mountain of .22 HP? ... Over 20K of HP's okay? Check!

Age and impairments have me where I can only work the slide on three of my shell-chucker handguns. Parting with the others, and adjusting my revolver outfit as well. Keeps me enjoying the merits of the .22 LR Rimfires even more.

'840'

PS Evan: My .45 Shield is one of the remaining 3 pistols.



Before you start putting a lot of faith in those 25-round .22 mags --- from any maker --- I would buy one and check it out with a few hundred rounds. I have yet to see any --- from any maker (except those for the S&W M&P guns) --- that I would bet my life on.

In the interest of full disclosure, I probably shoot 6,000-8000 rounds of .22 from a rifle in Steel Challenge matches each year. Many of the shooters I compete with are Master or Grand Master class. We talk guns. We talk about MANY failures from 25-round mags. Makes no difference whether they're made by Ruger, Butler Creek, or others. They just are not reliable. The exception is the 25-round M&P AR mags. They seem to work well.

In my 10/22 I use Ruger BX15 mags... 15 rounds. They have worked through thousands upon thousands of rounds. Just shot a 200-round match with them today. No malfs.

The 25-rounders look great on paper. But my experience is they ain't so good on the range. I won't use them. YMMV

Chris Christian
There are those who make things happen. There are those who watch things happen. There are those who wonder What The Heck happened! Pick one.
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Evan
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Posted - September 21 2019 :  4:44:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Never shot them in competition but always had good luck with the Butler Creek steel lips and with the Ruger 25 rnders.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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Chris Christian
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USA
3641 Posts

Posted - September 21 2019 :  5:54:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Evan

Never shot them in competition but always had good luck with the Butler Creek steel lips and with the Ruger 25 rnders.


Extensive (thousands rounds) use in competition tends to stress equipment and show you what is likely to work when it's really needed.
That's the kind of equipment I would want in a real bad situation... where failure is not an option.

Chris Christian
There are those who make things happen. There are those who watch things happen. There are those who wonder What The Heck happened! Pick one.
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Evan
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Posted - September 21 2019 :  7:54:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Still never had a failure and I'll never fire a kazillion rounds. We have a number of 25 round mags around the family without a single failure.

"The greatest thing a Father can do for his children is to love their Mother."

Harold B. Lee

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Chris Christian
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USA
3641 Posts

Posted - September 22 2019 :  08:25:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Evan

Still never had a failure and I'll never fire a kazillion rounds. We have a number of 25 round mags around the family without a single failure.



I'm glad you have tested yours. Some people who buy them on faith and never test can be disappointed when they actually need them.

Chris Christian
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Ace
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USA
5663 Posts

Posted - September 22 2019 :  2:12:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My 1022 doesn't seem to like the 25-round Butler Creek mags. Got some in a trade, tried them with several different brands of ammo, and not one time did not get multiple jams. Tried down-loading, didn't help. Gave them to a friend, and his rifle works just fine with them.
Never had a problem with Ruger mags, 25- or 15-rounders. Personally I prefer the 15's, only because they're more compact. But, if I'm ever in a jam and any of you offer to help, I wouldn't turn you away because you have 25-rounders and Butler Creek instead of Ruger. Ace

Give me $1 every time a Liberal lies, I'll give you $5 every time one tells the truth; I'll end up a wealthy man, you'll end up broke.
If pro-gunners are as murderous as anti-gunners claim, why are there so many anti-gunners still running their mouths?
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840
Junior Member

USA
194 Posts

Posted - September 23 2019 :  06:22:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since we're discussing specifically the Ruger 10/22 and the 15 and 25 round magazines for them, I can add this:

I have owned probably a dozen or more 10/22 models through the years.

I've also owned over twenty accessory 15 and 25 round magazines, mostly the 25's.

Additionally, I've also shot a wide variety of brands of ammunition of various bullet weights and types.


Conclusions and Opinions:

We are talking about the rimmed .22 LR and the cartridge case, alone, can lead to feeding and functioning issues. Often associated with how the cartridges are loaded in the magazines.

I currently have 6 ea. of the 25 rounders, BX-25 and steel lip Butler Creek. I've parted with any not of these two brands and designs. I also have 2 of the 15 round magazines. In addition, I have 5 of the standard Ruger 10-round magazines along with the one that came with my current stainless 10/22. All function w/o a problem.

I have had two Ruger 10/22's that had some feeding issues ... periodically. I parted with them. Most of the firearms functioned just fine and never failed to feed and function. Some issues I concluded were due to bullet shape, cartridge power or very inconsistent energy out of a batch. One was a feeding problem with the rifle itself.

My 10/22, my magazines, and my choice of ammunition have worked flawlessly, and with over 20K rounds on-hand that should give it ample opportunity to demonstrate any problems in the future.

Other than a couple of boxes of CCI Stingers for special use, the ONLY .22 LR ammunition I use are CCI Mini Mag 36 Gr. HP's and Remington Golden Bullet 36 Gr. HP's.

I do not shoot competition, but I also don't horse around and try all sorts of very rapid-fire business which I also believe can lead to some failures to feed and function. What I own and use I have a lot of faith in as it's never let me down.

'840'

PS: Just in case, I am also shopping for a desired pump-action .22 LR to have on-hand, too.

Yes, I too have my semi-autos, but folks need to credit the serious versatility of a good revolver with a serviceable load.
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