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Olddog84
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USA
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Posted - November 05 2018 :  10:06:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, I found a good deal on a Rock Island 1911 in 38 Super and pulled the trigger, so to speak. I must say I am impressed by the quality. The nickel plating is great and it feels tight but the slide glides perfectly. It is the base model with old standard "bump on a log" sigts, 1911A1 style grip safety and manual safety, etc. The only non-standard thing I can see is a ramped barrel. This is my first 38 Super, enjoying hand-loading for it. Anyone else have experience with the Rock Island?
Mike

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Bill D
Advanced Member

USA
1212 Posts

Posted - November 06 2018 :  2:29:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a few, full size and a compact model. So far they have been good guns, no problems. Mine are all 45acp. I did change the firing pin to titanium and Wolf spring. This makes it pass all drop tests. You can look on the various 1911 nets and understand what to do. The cost is low and you can do it yourself, easy to do. Bill D


Bill D

Edited by - Bill D on November 06 2018 2:31:44 PM
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Olddog84
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USA
621 Posts

Posted - November 07 2018 :  08:41:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bill, thanks for the idea, that is a great tip. No problem doing that myself. Got them on order!
Mike

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Jim Higginbotham
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USA
9758 Posts

Posted - November 09 2018 :  08:20:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tend to shy away from cheap copies but I have to admit I've seen quite a few RIA 1911s (full size) in classes that shot around 1000 rounds per class.

Never seen one choke and never seen one break.

I do have one; a double stack .22 TCM but I have not shot it that much. It has a 9mm barrel and spring and magazine but I've never even fired that.

The TCM is sort of interesting (not for self defense mind you) it gets the same speed from a 5" handgun that the 5.7 FN gets from a 16" carbine.

I'm just not sure what it is for

Jim

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Ace
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USA
5522 Posts

Posted - November 09 2018 :  5:12:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We sold several of the TCM model when they were first available. Seems to be an OK cartridge, been told it works good on coyote-size critters. Like the 5.7, it seems to be a glorified .22Magnum, with a little more glory.
Haven't gotten to shoot one yet (TCM), but I do like the feel of it, even with the fat grip. My thought would be have it in the truck, for coyotes and badgers and such, when we're driving around the western part of the state; then if anybody wants to go to town for supper or something, switch the barrels and have a social gun for contingencies.

In the FWIW column, we seem to have no problem selling RIA .45's, to some customers who want an inexpensive defense pistol, to some others who plan to build a custom pistol. So far, everybody seems to be happy with the quality. Ace

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Jim Higginbotham
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Posted - November 19 2018 :  4:28:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ace, that is exactly how I describe it.

Yeah, I think it might work on a coyote.

Jim

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Bill D
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USA
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Posted - November 21 2018 :  8:07:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jim, A little research, Armscor/Rock Island makes frames and parts for other higher priced 1911's sold under some pretty fancy names. I am not a Rock Island rep but have to say they are an under valued pistol. I have fun taking one of mine apart and upgrading to s/s fancy stuff. Bill D

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Jim Higginbotham
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USA
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Posted - November 28 2018 :  10:09:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bill D

Jim, A little research, Armscor/Rock Island makes frames and parts for other higher priced 1911's sold under some pretty fancy names. I am not a Rock Island rep but have to say they are an under valued pistol. I have fun taking one of mine apart and upgrading to s/s fancy stuff. Bill D




I would tend to agree with that assessment.

Jim

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Olddog84
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USA
621 Posts

Posted - November 28 2018 :  10:27:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting, I had not heard that RIA is making components for people: I am not surprised. I finally got to shoot it, no issues aside from old "standard" 1911 issues, mainly the old "bump on a log" sights are REALLY hard to see now that I am on the far side of 50! I will say factory 38 Super is very under-loaded, seems to barely be 9mm +P level, with the exception of Buffalo Bore and my hand loads. They are definitely in the 357SIG / Magnum territory. If prior factory 38 Super was actually in the 1,300 FPS territory as was claimed, I can see why it was used where penetration was desired in the 1930's. This is my first experience with the 39 Super and I must say I was impressed.
Mike

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Jim Higginbotham
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USA
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Posted - November 30 2018 :  08:42:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Olddog84

Interesting, I had not heard that RIA is making components for people: I am not surprised. I finally got to shoot it, no issues aside from old "standard" 1911 issues, mainly the old "bump on a log" sights are REALLY hard to see now that I am on the far side of 50! I will say factory 38 Super is very under-loaded, seems to barely be 9mm +P level, with the exception of Buffalo Bore and my hand loads. They are definitely in the 357SIG / Magnum territory. If prior factory 38 Super was actually in the 1,300 FPS territory as was claimed, I can see why it was used where penetration was desired in the 1930's. This is my first experience with the 39 Super and I must say I was impressed.
Mike



IIRC Fiochi and Geco and perhaps RWS approach 1300. Cor-bon at one time loaded a 125 to 1400 but I don't know if any of them are still up there at that level.

Ammo companies are notorious for changing lot to lot - as Evan says, they pay attention to keeping the pressure under the SAAMI maximum.

I have 3 lots of Federal .357 Magnum on hand. My 4" M-19 that I carried in Memphis is a "fast" gun and one lot gives around 1450 fps while the other two are under 1300 fps.

One reason folks interested in ballistics pull their hair out.

Jim H.

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